Brownchild
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agree. there is actually a good point. assessing the way a product works is very important as we're very different.
motivated for my next cycle
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Broren21
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that's very important during the SARMs cycles. side effects can still occur, despite them being safer than steroids. so if you experience side effects, you don't know which caused them. after all, we're all different. i hear of people saying different things when talking about the same sarm, proving that they can work differently for every person.
charisman001
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yeah, reading online i've also noticed it. although the basics are the same, people truly react differently to different compound.
Broren21
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if you feel fine, a general rule of thumb is yes, you can start. however, just to make sure, I would have a bloodwork first to make sure that indeed everything is fine for starting the next cycle
Brownchild
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@patjespaap have you ever started another cycle sooner than 8 weeks in between cycles? I think @greg01 would appreciate your answer
patjespaap
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Yes i have actually, my first cycle was with capsules, so I think that due to the stomach-blood barrier the amount of sarms that were synthsized by the body was lower than the amount i took so back then suppression was considerably lower than when i started using liquids. Because it was my first cycle I was way too scared i was going to destroy my hormone levels so i had bloodwork done every two weeks during and off cycle and almost all my levels bounced back in 4 weeks using an over the counter pct (revange hardcore alpha male). during these 4 weeks i ordered my next stack and after 5 weeks being off cycle i started the 2nd cycle. Although there is some debate going on about the bioavailability of caps vs liquids, the bloodwork after liquids were different than during and after the caps but it could have different causes, i havent chekced the caps for content, they could have been underdosed, the liquids could have been overdosed, both caps and liquids were pre-made by the vendor i bought them from.
After liquids and bloodwork i used Nolvadex as a pct and just took 8 weeks off every time because it was recommended, did bloodwork on week 1 off cycle, and week 8 off cycle, not in between so there might be a chance that levels are back to normal sooner than 8 weeks though.
But why rush it, the strength and size gains made during cycles can be really tough on the muscles, joints, tendons and tissue so I like to think that the 8 week cycle is also a good period to let the body adjust and recover, but, on the other hand, I am also nearing 40 years of age so if you're younger your body is more likely to recover faster. However, there are many reports of SARMs users that tear tendons because they want to go too hard/heavy, too fast.
Now I am mixing my own liquids, the bloodwork is almost identical to the bloodwork results during the cycle with the liquids i bought pre-made, so personally i think the caps were either underdosed or like i mentioned, the stomach-blood barrier plays a role in how well the SARMs get synthesized. with liquids i hold the liquid under my tongue until it's almost fully absorbed, i also don't wash it down with water so whatever is left in my mouth when i swallow it gets absorbed in my throat on the way down.
Note that what I've said is only my experience, I am not an expert in any way so don't take my word for any of it, this is just how I went through my cycles and the results I got on and off cycle, always consult a professional like a doctor or a SARMs expert. The site i order from have their own SARMs specialist, and I talk to him (or her, not sure) about every cycle, every bloodwork result and I even contacted my doctor during the firt two cycles to make sure nothing was wrong with what i did and the results I got.
patjespaap
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If i look at how much it would cost me to get one gram of sarms for caps, liquids or straight powders it is a big difference.
Let's take RAD140 for example:
they sell them in different dosages, but since my dosage was 10mg a day i will stick to that.
They sell 60 caps of 10mg for 44,95 euros (total 600mg).
that's 74,9 cents per 10mg, or 74,91 euros for one gram worth of caps.
liquids is 44,95 euros for 600mg in 30ml, or also 74,91 per gram.
Powder costs me 44.95 euros for one gram.
so with caps and liquids, you pay almost 30 euros extra per SARM just for the pre-mixing and caps/liuids they used to make it for you!!!!
With a stack of three that's almost 100 euros you pay extra!!!!
I would need to buy a solvent (DMSO or ethanol for example which i use, depending on how much you want in your dropper in regards of mg per ml, the solubility of each sarm is different with each solvent) but that solvent would last you many dropper bottles worth of mixing, a 150ml bottle of DMSO costs me around 15 euros and i only use 6ml to dissolve 700 mg of powder (10 weeks of 10mg a day). Once dissolved you add some PEG-400 or propylene glycol (or other liquid to keep your powder+solvent in suspension, but DMSO, PG and PEG-400 are safe to consume in those amounts on a daily basis, I work with chemicals and I am trained in handling them and have read all safety data sheets) to reach 30ml of liquid with 700mg of powder.
I got DMSO form a skincare website, at 99+% purity, PG i bought from a vape shop at a claimed 100% purity and PEG-400 from a pharmaceutical company that sells it without requiring a license for buying it, but maybe Amazon or Ebay sells it too, just make sure to check the manufacturer and MAKE SURE they have a MSDS (material safety data sheet) and check it thoroughly!
The initial investment might be slightly higher if you were to use just one SARM, but since I am stacking three of them, the overal costs of the solvent and liquid is much lower, plus you can last many refills with those liquids. I reused the dropper bottles from the previous orders I got, cleaned them out before mixing so there is no residue or cross contamination or anything. I also put some painter's tape on it with the SARM and the ratio of MG per ML on it. There is 20 drops per ML so you can easily calculate the drops you need based on that (mine is 23.3 mg per ml, at 10 mg per day that's 9 drops for a total of 10.5mg)
Some powders like to dissolve better in a warm liquid, so i turn on my trusty 3d printer, turn on the heatbed to 38C (some sarms disintegrate above 40C so be careful not to overheat), and i mix the powder in the solvent in a shot glass while it's warm, add that to the dropper bottle and then fill up til it is at 30ml (i use a food syringe that goes up to 50 ml. i subtract the 6ml of solvent and then add just over 23ml since the 700mg of powder should also be seen as added volume. Shake it like a stripper shakes her booty for a minute or two and that's it.
Brownchild
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so you're in Europe. not sure but i've heard prices there are higher than those in US? or vice versa?
as for making it all myself - i doubt i ever could. i know that i'm going to be too afraid that i fucked up with something in the process.
as for making it all myself - i doubt i ever could. i know that i'm going to be too afraid that i fucked up with something in the process.
patjespaap
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I really don't know about the prices in the US really, so I can't say where it's cheaper. And in regards to making it yourself, always try a little bit at a time, don't chuck in 1000mg on your first attempt. As logn as you have something to dissolve it, getting it into suspension is the easiest party.
I messed up just once, i used too little of a solvent liquid for my RAD140, it did diddolve, but after it got mixed with the suspension liquid, the whole liquid got very thick and grainy. Next time i used a bit more solvent and it was just fine. It's not advanced chemistry.
But looking at the price per gram when you buy it in powder form, you will save a few bucks in the long run, which can be spent on any PCT when you need one, supplements or just good protein rich foods, or just a complete diet.
Care4Gainz
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yeah, i heard about buying powder and mixing it yourself which will save money. never did actually tried it tho, but i guess I should be starting looking into it
Brownchild
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yeah, that makes sense. thanks man
UnchainedD
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that's especially true about steroids seemingly. i've seen a guy in my gym getting his leg on the other side... that's... horrible